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Nathan Hopkins Interrogation

Wednesday, July 1st, 2009

It’s time you find out the real story behind the 3Xmethod.  So this month, I’ve offered up myself for interrogation.  I reveal all the real life trials I’ve been through, and the long journey that led me to the 3Xmethod. From chubby kid to MMA fighter… From near fatal car wreck to the ultimate recovery… I’ll show you why and how the 3Xmethod can help you conquer any obstacle in your life. So get your pen, take notes, and be prepared for change!
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July 1, 2009

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Scott Tousignant:

Hello and welcome to the call. This is Obliterate Obesity, and it is always fantastic to be inspired by amazing success stories out there. I see people who have been inspired by the journey that Angie and I recently went through.

Whenever we get a success story sent in from our fellow readers and people going through our program, it inspires Angie and I. We love sharing it with other people out there.

Today I’ve got a great success story from a person I recently became friends with, Nathan Hopkins. The best success stories I love is when I see the person using their story, their journey, as a way of inspiring other people, and that’s exactly what Nathan is doing right now.

I am just ready to dive into this call and get Nathan sharing what life was like for him back when he was heavier, how much weight he lost, and how his life has changed since then and exactly what he’s been doing to inspire other people in addition to taking the time to hop on this call to talk to us and get you all inspired yourselves.

So, Nathan, welcome to the call.

Nathan Hopkins:
Thank you very much. I’m glad to be here.
Scott:

Glad to have you here, man. Let’s just start by telling me what your life was like when you were heavier. What was your weight? How much weight have you lost? Are you putting on muscle, working out? How has your body changed throughout the entire journey, this process that you’ve gone through?

Nathan: 

I guess to start off with how things were for me, I was always a chubby kid growing up. That went on all the way up into high school. I think when I was playing football when I was in seventh grade, I weighed in at 193 pounds as a seventh-grader. Obviously the football coaches were happy to have a guy on the offensive line that big, but it kind of stunk for me.

As far as how life was, it was pretty frustrating. It was one of those things were I was always trying to hide how big I was. I probably couldn’t even count the number of times I was at the neighborhood pool and a girl walks in that I was absolutely enthralled with, and I couldn’t get my shirt on fast enough.

It’s no fun. In high school it was a thing that created a lot of insecurities and, to be honest, I spent a lot of time walking around with a chip on my shoulder. It wasn’t much fun.

Scott:

You mentioned playing football. The coaches were happy to have a big guy on the line, but what was it like in the dressing room? Even though the guys needed a player like you on the team, did they still pick on you a bit?

Nathan: 

You do kind of get picked on. It wasn’t like I was just one of those really big solid, meaty guys. I was big and I was dt, but I had a lot of fat on me.

It’s funny that you ask that question, because whenever I watch the movie Goonies and they ask Chunk to do the truffle shuffle, they used to ask me to do that from time to time. Of course, to roll right along with it and get everybody to laugh, I’d do it, as opposed to trying not to be victimized.

I was asked to do stuff like that. You’d kind of get popped with towels from time to time or get picked on by guys who were the more dominant characters in the locker room. It was no fun, and that actually stopped at one point when another guy came who was bigger than me. I almost hate to admit that I felt a little relieved, but at the same time I felt bad for him because I knew what he was going through.

Scott:

It’s amazing what you’ll do to try to fit in and, like you said, trying to hide the fact that you’re hurting inside and you don’t want them to see that you’re hurting inside, so you go along with it. You act like it’s funny to you, but really it’s not funny.

Nathan: 

It’s not fun at all. They did stuff, and this is the coaches. We did a drill where we would do 400s, but they would send the fat guys first, and they would let the linebackers and the faster, more athletic guys run you down from behind and if they caught you they were allowed to, for all intents and purposes, pretty much beat you up. Not literally punch you, but they could tackle you, and you’re running for your life. I’m not going to lie; I got caught more than a few times.

Scott:

It seems that to me those things are tough to deal with at that age, being a teenager and dealing with women and especially women that you’re attracted to and just hearing you talk about wanting to get your shirt on as quickly as you could and those types of insecurities.

Would you say those relationships and struggles of dealing with the opposite sex were the most difficult things to deal with when it came to your weight?

Nathan: 

It was definitely a big part of it because I was definitely really into girls, like most guys are in high school and middle school. I was a really nice guy. I did all the right things and said all the right things. I could argue that I was too nice. Yeah, it just made it tough. I just wasn’t confident, I was always worried about what I was saying or if it was funny, and it was kind of a lonely place to be at times.

I think it was my freshman year when I got a date to the homecoming. I asked this one girl who was a cheerleader and she said yes. Man, I was on cloud nine! There wasn’t anything anyone could have done that day to bring me down until she called me and told me she was invited by somebody else who she was actually interested in and she had wanted to date and wanted to know if I’d be okay if she went with him instead.

Nice guy that I am, I was like, “Oh, sure. Go ahead.” That was a pretty gut-wrenching experience. That was something that took me a long time to get over.

Scott:

I can’t imagine. So, was there a turning point for you? Had you tried throughout these years to lose weight at all unsuccessfully, or did it just get to one point where you said, “That’s it, enough is enough; I need to make some changes”?

Nathan: 

There was a combination of things that all led up to a fracture point where I think I finally came to the point where I said, “I’ve got to do this. It’s all or nothing.” I felt like I was kicked around quite a bit.

In middle school, I remember I would take Slim-Fasts to school, and I would wrap them in tin foil because I was embarrassed that I was doing that. I felt like it was a non-guy thing to do.

It was something that I struggled with my whole life even through high school. It was hard. I even had a knee condition that made it difficult to run long distances, which is the way I always thought was the best way to lose weight, to just run forever.

When I got to the point in life where this one particular incident happened that really set me off was, without going to much into too much depth, when I got my butt handed to me by another guy.

Like I said, I walked around with a chip on my shoulder, and I think I got to a point where I was sick of it. I started acting out not just against people around me, but I got in trouble a lot at school. I was a truant a lot. I had a lot of issues that were really a direct result of living in this state of discomfort.

I was really alone and upset about everything. This one guy said something to me one day and I had enough and popped back. I got my butt handed to me in a most unpleasant manner, and I think it was a combination of that and everything else I was experiencing in my life.

I was like, “This is how my entire life is going to be.” I made a decision that that wasn’t an option anymore. I started looking at my lifestyle. I ran into another friend of mine that had actually lost a lot of weight. He had moved away when we were younger, but he came back and he shared with me some things that he had learned from his dad, who was actually an endocrinologist.

I was in track; I was shot-putter and saw the way the sprinters worked out and how those guys were incredibly muscular. A lot of the stuff that I started playing around with, I don’t think I knew what it was at the time. It was a combination of seeing all these things and getting beat up.

I woke up one morning and I was like, “The only one who is going to do this is me.” My parents have tried to help me with it for years. I was into football, I was an active guy, and nothing worked. I was like, “There must be something very, very wrong that I’m doing.

I just looked at my diet, the way I was working out and a lot of different things. For one, I was eating fast food every single day. I was drinking soft drinks non-stop. At the football program I went to, they had these little cards that they sold for the booster program to raise money. At the local restaurant, if you want to call them restaurants, Jack-In-The-Box, Wendy’s, if you gave them this card, instead of one burger you could get two.

I was eating three or four Whoppers a day. It was just terrible. I stopped doing all those things. As I said before, I wasn’t able to do a whole lot of running, so I started doing a very intense resistance workout. I started building muscle, and as I lost weight I was able to do more sprint-type workouts and running. Things started happening. I started seeing things I’d never seen before.

I remember the first time I saw the veins popping on my arm. It was like waking up on Christmas morning and getting the toys you always wanted or getting a new car. I couldn’t have been happier. Same thing the first time I saw an ab muscle. I ran downstairs and grabbed my dad. That was a pretty big huge victory in and of itself. I’m kind of all over the place with this. Does that answer your question?

Scott:

Definitely. It’s important to get all the little bits of information in there. Did you have some role models? You mentioned this one guy came into town, and you saw what he had been up to. Were you going at it yourself? Were you just flipping through magazines to experiment on different programs?

Nathan: 

Definitely all of it. I definitely would say that my buddy was my role model. He was pretty similar to me in that we were both overweight guys. He was just somebody that I could talk to. We didn’t necessarily talk about those types of things, like how frustrated and upset we were with the situation as it was and being picked on and kicked around, but it was one of those things where you hang out with people who are like you and are experiencing similar things.

To see him having gone through that process and remembering he was just like me and picking his brain; he told me what he did and what his dad had taught him as far as tweaks he could make that would help him create a change in his body being a guy. I read men’s health magazines, pretty much whatever I could get my hands on. I didn’t read that many books on the subject matter, but I would look at certain workouts that people were doing.

Some of the guys that I was trying to emulate were into a lot of circuit training and doing super sets and very intense workouts that were all about getting anaerobic and getting your heart rate up. Those are the kinds of workouts I started looking at.

In the beginning I spent a lot of time in the weight room, but as I got further along I started doing workouts pretty much wherever I was. I tried so many different things, but what I found to work was a really good combination of the resistance training, but not so much the isolating muscles where you are doing chest and triceps on one day and back on the next.

I did try that and it worked for a while, but I would notice that I would flat-toe a lot, and I wouldn’t have as many strength gains, so I started doing more full-body workouts and trying to be in the weight room three times a week or just working out somewhere.

There was a period of time where I was a business consultant and working out in the weight room wasn’t an option when I was spending six days out on the East Coast, so I had to overcome that challenge because I started to gain a little weight eating at restaurants all the time. The thing that amazes me about working out is that you can’t just pick one thing and have it work forever. It’s kind of like a moving target.

You’re always having to figure out what’s going to work and change things up. That was the one thing that I found the most: the more I changed things up and the more I did different types of workouts, all of it was in the same kind of model, but I just changed it up on myself.

That was where I started having the most success. That’s just where the weight came off and it became a part of who I was. A lot of people look at weight loss and say, “This is something I’ve really got to do. I’ve got to try hard, I’ve got to do this and do that. If I don’t do this, then it’s not going to work.”

I’ve found that I just have more obstacles when I felt like it was something I had to try hard to do. As I learned more and more, it just became who I was as opposed to something I was doing. People just began to associate like—If I was a certain place and people were just chowing down on chips and queso (I do have cheat days when I’ll eat stuff that I want like that) people started going, “Don’t even ask Nathan if he wants that because he’s not going to eat it.”

Other people actually started to reinforce for me who I was and what I was doing. It was funny because in the beginning people weren’t used to this Nathan, they wanted the Nathan that ate everything in sight and was jovial, not that you can’t be that as well when you’re deciding to change the way that you live. That was when it became a part of who I was. I almost now don’t even know who that previous guy was.

Obviously, I’m still who I am. There were a lot of things that happened in that period of my life that make me a pretty special person now. I feel like having dealt with a lot of the insecurities and the personal issues that you go through when you fight this battle, so to speak, you learn a lot about yourself. You learn things that most people won’t ever know about themselves. You face a side of yourselves that most people don’t ever truly recognize.

For anybody that’s out there who is doing this, it’s a weird way to look at it, but I don’t want to say that it’s a gift, because it is; it’s a dirty, dark thing to deal with, but at the same time, when you come out on the other side, you’re very dt. You’ve overcome something that a very, very small percentage of the population has overcome. It’s an amazing, exciting feeling.

Scott:

Absolutely. A lot of what you just said about becoming who you are, to me that’s the biggest part. It’s no longer about weight loss. For me, when I go for a walk in the morning, and I do that every morning, although now that the weather is nicer I’m riding my bike instead, I prefer to do that; it was about weight loss in the beginning. It was, “I’m going to go out in the morning before I want to get up. I’ve got to get out there because I’ve got to lose weight.”

Once you get out there and you’re really enjoying it, you’re doing the thing that you love and you’re feeling great, it becomes a part of who you are, and you’re waking up and you’re going out there early. It’s no longer about losing weight; it’s because I can’t wait to get out there.

I use it for educational purposes. I’ll listen to MP3s while I’m out there, or I’ll go out just to be in nature, which I really love anyways. It’s no longer about the scale numbers and doing it to lose weight. It becomes a part of who you are, and it’s the same way with my weight training.

What really stood out for me in what you just said was talking about friends. When things become a part of who you are, friends recognize that. I remember when I had never smoked a cigarette and I was 22 years old and was out having a few drinks with my friends.

They were all smoking and they always had been smoking. I was like, “That’s it, I’m going to try one. I just got to see why the heck you guys do this.” And they did not let me do it. I thank them to this day, but they knew that’s not who I was. I wasn’t into alcohol and as my friends they knew that went against my values. They stood up for me.

That’s the best part, when people really see who you are and what you’ve become. Before, when you were used to eating those extra burgers and all that stuff, that’s who they saw you as and they would encourage things like that. Now they were encouraging the positive new you and the role you’ve taken on.

Nathan: 

On the other side of that coin, sometimes you actually do have to disassociate from different people. That’s something that you do very carefully. You mentioned smoking and things like that and I actually, prior to the transformation, was smoking a lot. I was drinking a lot. Those where the friends who, even though I loved hanging out with them, I had to pull back from hanging out with them in certain situations where I knew those were the things that were going to happen.

Something that I did personally struggle with was saying no and not doing those things, because I liked it; it was social. I’d go out with my buddies. Yeah, we’re going to smoke, we’re going to drink, we’re going to party, and it’s going to be awesome. I just found that I couldn’t continue to do that and achieve my health goals, not to mention the other areas that affects as well as far as doing well in life and moving forward.

It all depends on what your goals are. Doing those things was no longer in line with what I wanted to accomplish and it was setting me back. It was kind of said at first, but I’m actually friends with all those guys. They just know that I don’t go out and do those particular things anymore.

Scott:

How has your life changed overall since you’ve gone through this transformation? You’ve mentioned that you’ve lost 85 pounds, maybe even more, especially when you consider that you’ve put on some muscle during the process and those other factors. How different is life right now? What is life like right now?

Nathan: 

I’ll start here because this is one of the most direct things I know. When I really, truly got to my goal weight, I was way more muscular. Instead of wearing a size 40 pair of pants, I was wearing a 32, and just looked completely different.

One of the first things that happened is that all of the sudden, this wasn’t in high school, but further along, women started noticing me. That was like the first injection of confidence. That was one of the areas where I had the most insecurity. I started noticing that, and when I got a little bit of that, it was so intoxicating that it completely changed the way that I acted.

When my wife first met me, the way that she described it was that I wasn’t cocky as in arrogant, but I had this sense of confidence that was just different than anything she had ever seen. That was probably the thing that I got the most immediately, just this new level of confidence. I was no longer afraid to talk to women, I was no longer afraid to express my opinion, and it just kind of sprawled out from there.

Next thing you know, the guy that was scared to say anything at all at school and just sat there and was quiet—my first job out of college when I worked for a sales organization for a pretty big company, within six months I was leading sales training up at the corporate office. I was doing things that my entire life I thought I would never do.

I always doubted myself, was always like, “I’m never going to be able to do this; it’s just not who I am.” The thing is that everybody can do those things and that was what I learned: it’s all about mindset, knowing who you are and what you’re about and just taking that and putting yourself out there. When you do that, it’s like you’re almost bulletproof.

People will try and bring you down because people do that. Since that transformation my life is incredibly different. If you talk to some of the people that I went to high school with, they wouldn’t believe the kind of things I’m doing now as opposed to what I did back then because I was looked at as the big fat guy who was lazy and got in trouble.

I’m now leading an incredibly productive life with a wife that I absolutely adore and a beautiful little daughter. The confidence was the first thing. Once you have confidence it’s like you just start doing things that you never would have done before.

Scott:

Absolutely, no doubt about that. Like I said at the beginning of the call, you’ve been an inspiration to others. You’re leading by example out there and now you’ve put together a program helping other guys that are feeling like you used to feel, and encouraging them to live an active healthy lifestyle and experience this new confidence that you have. You’ve got a program out there called the 3X Method.

I love that you don’t just tackle the fitness. The core of the program is fitness and getting their life together, but you’re dealing with relationships and wealth and all those different areas that are impacted by health and all these different areas have improved for you since you’ve improved your health. Do you want to talk a little bit more about that?

Nathan: 

Sure. Let me start at the very beginning. I’ve been working with people through a newsletter even before 3X Method for almost three years now. It was while I was doing that when I finally came to the realization that I needed to put together a product.

I started thinking about all the things that I struggled with as a guy, not to say that guys or girls are better than the other, but we’re each different. We all have different things that we struggle with.

I’m a guy, and that was very real to me. I started looking at everything that I struggle with and even some areas where I still continue to make myself dter. Those three areas of health, wealth, and relationships are the three areas that if you really look at what guys deal with, everything from taking care of their bodies and their finances and relationships, they’re all so intertwined.

A lot of the things that happen beyond that still relate back to those. I actually had a mentor tell me that if you can’t break things down into three things, you’ve made it too complex. I try to keep things as simple as possible.

Everything starts with the health aspect. As guys, I just believe that we’re meant to be active, we’re meant to be moving around, and we’re meant to be doing things. In this day and age it’s hard to do that. It’s hard to make the time to go out and do the things to be physically fit.

There’s a lot of things that prevents it, the technologies these days, the corporate world. When I was in management consulting and traveling, it was like five or six days a week away from my wife and daughter. There are a thousand excuses to not do it.

A lot of what I try to do is remove those excuses by having workouts that are quick and have maximum results in a minimum amount of time. Then there are areas that I deal with, like the mindset that goes into dealing with relationships, not only with other men and people in corporate environments, but even like with your wife, your kids, all those areas.

In a nutshell that’s what it’s about, and that’s what I’m trying to help other guys with. Those are the areas where I still to this day am trying to get better. I’m by no means perfect, but I’m trying to create a place where guys can get together and work on those areas, help each other out, and create a community.

Scott:

You mentioned that you were writing a newsletter for three years leading up to that. There are a lot of people who have gone through transformations out there who are documenting it on blogs and just sharing their stories with others, and it seems to be pretty therapeutic for them. What was it like for you writing this newsletter for the past three years?

Nathan: 

When I first started doing it, it was one of the most exciting things. I had been struggling to find an area where I could truly help people where I feel like I’ve truly been given this gift and had some experiences and things have happened to me to lead to it.

Then I got to start sending out e-mails about different strategies and things, whether it was to boost their metabolism or specific techniques for keeping yourself accountable and dealing with all the mind games.

I was just sharing that information. Then when people started replying back, it was intoxicating, it was exciting, and it was humbling. I remember when I was getting e-mails from people in Uganda and India and all these places replying back to these e-mails I sent out. They’re like, “I’m dealing with this, this, and this. What do I need to do?”

I’m sitting there going, “Oh my gosh, there are so many people who are looking for someone to talk to about this.” It’s not just something where you walk up to someone in the office or even at home. To make that connection with other people out there, not only did it make me want to do it more, but it even encouraged me and made me want to be even better myself.

As I started helping people and teaching people, I was like, “I need to really keep pushing the envelope and continue to make myself dter so that I can share more and more with people out there.” It’s been extremely motivating to me. I mean, it’s one of the things that I wouldn’t say I live for, but it’s exciting, helping other people.

Then when you get e-mails from people all over the world telling you all this. Just from the newsletter that I was sending out to people for free, people were telling me, “I’ve lost 15, I’ve lost 20, or I’ve lost 30 pounds. Thank you for giving me all these tips.” I’m just scratching the surface here of really getting connected with people online. It was pretty exciting.

You would probably echo something similar because when you start connecting with people is when it gets really fun.

Scott:

Absolutely. Like I said, you hear their stories, you become inspired by them, and then you hear about how you’re inspiring them and it just motivates you to be even better yourself. It’s incredibly rewarding.

For me, as a physical fitness trainer, it was rewarding seeing a few people at a time transform their bodies, but when you’re getting e-mails daily from people all around the world that are going through transformation because of your advice, it just takes it to a whole new level.

That definitely has encouraged both Angie and I to continue to be the best we can be. Like you said, it’s not like we’re just following one thing and that one thing is always going to be what works. We’re trying new things, and that’s what keeps it exciting for us as well. We just love sharing how our bodies react to it, how our energy changes, and how our lives change as a result of all the different things that we apply.

Nathan: 

Absolutely. Another thing that is specific to guys is that as men and leaders of our families and being a person that has a lot of influence on the environment around you, bringing something like this into your home, like you were just talking about you and your wife and what you do, that’s just such an amazing gift that you’re giving to not only your wife and your kids and the people around you, but you’re teaching people how to live a life.

When you take care of your body like this, everything else is better. I’ve noticed that as I get into better and better shape, my wife is trying to stay in shape as she is planning on getting pregnant again. We went out and did a workout; you connect on a level that you can’t otherwise. There’s just something that’s so visceral about physical interaction in that regard.

That, in and of itself, creates an amazing level of intimacy, not only with your wife, but with your kids. You’re teaching your kids a skill set for success that they won’t even realize you taught them. That’s an area that I tend to get excited about because there’s a lot of people out there who just don’t know enough about nutrition and food that they’re not taking care of themselves.

A lot of it is just because of the environment they live in: they don’t have time, they’re pushing, or they’re grabbing the food that is quickest and easiest.

When you take a stand for being healthy and taking care of yourself, your kids see that and then, next thing you know, they’re making those kinds of choices for themselves because that’s what they see you doing as the person they look to most in their life. You’re giving them a gift that will strengthen them for their entire life, and they’ll pass it on to their kids as well.

It’s pretty amazing the effect that that group of guys can have on the people around them when they take it seriously.

Scott:

Absolutely. I defiantly echo everything that you’re saying there, especially when it comes to the relationships part. Angie and I definitely have a bond that’s grown even closer. We’ve always been pretty athletic together, but going through different challenges like this body transformation challenge that we did together brought us even closer than we were before.

Nathan: 

Man, you guys got me really excited when I saw that. That was really awesome.

Scott:

It’s great. It’s helped everything: it’s helped our business, and our relationship has improved in so many ways. We can’t even list them here. It’s absolutely unbelievable, just life in general.

I just get overwhelmed with excitement when I think of everything we’ve done together. It’s absolutely awesome. It just encourages us to do even more. Now we’re shooting videos on a daily basis. She’s more involved in the work that I’m doing. It’s exciting. It’s taken things to a whole new level.

Any last-minute advice that you’d like to share with the people, or was there any advice that somebody shared with you that really rang home with you and that you’d like to share with the people here?

Nathan: 

There actually was one. It’s so funny that this popped into my head because I literally have not thought about this in years. When I first started really getting into taking care of myself, just started seeing results and was getting excited, there was a guy who at the time was a guy that I did martial arts with. The guy was just a physical freak; he was just amazing.

He was just ripped, muscular. He just had it all together. I remember I was in the weight room one day and said, “Man, tell me exactly what you’re doing, because I want to look like you. I want to emulate you.”

He actually sat down and he goes, “Listen, you can do exactly what I do, and it may work for you, but the thing is you’ve got to get out there and try different stuff because everybody’s body is different. Everybody responds to different things.”

Then another guy who was a mentor to me later always talked about living and working inside of models, not like doing something in a cookie cutter, just having a set of rules that you go by, whether we’re talking about health or your standards for living.

He said, “Just pick out those standards, those rules, and live by them. Things will change in those, but you’ve given yourself something that you can take into any situation and you can succeed because you have the model, rather than just, ‘if it doesn’t happen like this, this, or this, what am I going to do?’”

My final thought would be to get out there and just start experimenting. Try different programs; try the stuff that Scott and Angie are doing because it’s awesome. Get out there and do it, then find the model. Don’t feel like you have be constrained by it. Just pick the things that work, and eventually you’ll find yourself developing your own stuff, and that’s when it starts getting fun.

Scott:

Exactly. A lot of people write to me and they’re really confused: “This person just came out with a program and everyone says it’s great, but I heard this program is awesome, and I’m really confused. This person is teaching a different method. Some people like the high-intensity interval training, other people like the long-duration stuff.”

In my opinion, as much as the industry itself is adding to this confusion because of the way they market these strategies, it’s still up to the individual not to allow themselves to be overwhelmed and confused with it because, really, most of these programs work, but they’re not for everybody.

I’ve used myself as a human guinea pig for years and I love it. I’m about to try a new program in a couple of weeks and I can’t wait.

That’s really what it’s all about. I never look at one program as an end-all, be-all program; I never look at a diet as an end-all, be-all diet. I’m always trying new, different things. You mentioned that it excites you; it excites me.

That’s the approach I take whenever a new program comes out. I can’t wait to try it. Too many people put all their hopes and dreams on this one program.

In my opinion, most of the programs out there do work. You just have to give 100 percent effort rather than thinking of the next program ahead. As much as I like to experiment with different programs, when I start one, I’m 100 percent committed to it. I’m not thinking, “I can’t wait to try that next program and hopefully that will work.” I just focus on the one at hand.

Nathan: 

You’re right. The key thing is just getting out there and doing it. A lot of people, and you’ve probably experienced this, try all these different programs and they do work and sometimes you do enough of someone else’s stuff and find something that works for you.

Then you almost start designing your own programs, which is ultimately where everyone should look to get.

Trying out as many different programs that are out there is great and it’s a great way to learn how to push your body to higher and higher levels.

Scott:

I like that. You basically come up with your own little hybrid of the programs that are out there. Form your own program based on the feedback from how your body responds to all the different programs. Design your own. That’s a great plan.

This has been a lot of fun, Nathan. I really appreciate you coming on, sharing your journey, what life was like for you, and what it’s like now. I really thank you for spreading the word, inspiring other people, and making a difference out there. This is really fantastic.

Nathan: 

I really appreciate the opportunity and also appreciate everything you guys are doing because it’s fun watching other people out there helping people. You guys motivate me, as well. Thank you very much for having me. I enjoyed getting to share the story.

Scott:

Great, that’s excellent. Thanks a lot, Nathan. Have yourself an excellent day, and I look forward to having you on another time, and we’ll share more information and stories.

Nathan: 

Thanks, I look forward to it, Scott.

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